ANNOUNCEMENT: Removing list prefix

I will be removing the list prefix "LLVMDev" from the subject line. If you are filtering by this, please use the list headers instead.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you,
Tanya

What is the reason for this? It makes it much harder to skim down emails in the inbox and see which ones are related to which list.

David

Sorry, I need more caffeine this morning. Correction! I meant to say that I'm removing [llvm-commits] only from the prefix and LLVMDev will stay for now. This is just a notification to the LLVMDev list.

-Tanya

Thanks Tanya, this makes the subject lines of the commits a lot more accessible.

Tobi

What are the exact list headers that match the lists correctly?

Just matching the list addess in to or cc field does not work as it has the following problems:
1) bcc would still not math the filter
2) both copies of a reply that comes to both own address and list would match the list filter.

List-Id: LLVM Developers Mailing List <llvmdev.cs.uiuc.edu>

You can "View Full Headers" or "Show Original Message" on your mail reader
to investigate further.

O GMail, you just need to "filter messages like this" and it'll
automatically decide to filter by List-Id.

cheers,
--renato

What are the exact list headers that match the lists correctly?

Just matching the list addess in to or cc field does not work as it has the following problems:
1) bcc would still not math the filter
2) both copies of a reply that comes to both own address and list would match the list filter.

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Please let me state my opinion against this change.
Due to the heavy traffic on LLVM mailing lists, one needs some kind of filtering to keep only the relevant emails in the inbox. Since my ISP's email server doesn't support any server-side email filtering, I used to filter the e-mails visually. It was easy to ignore emails with the subject prefixed with LLVM or cfe (or both).
Right now I can only see 200 emails in my inbox and I cannot distinguish between them.

I personally also preferred the file names in the subject, since that allowed me to visually filter the commits in my areas. However, if we all start prefixing the commit messages with the area (as some already do), this problem is gone.

Nuno

I understand the challenge with no server-side filtering. I believe the goal is to prefix the commit messages with even more specific prefixes to note what area has changed. Those who send patches should be using [PATCH] in their subject, but we can't force people to. A strong reason for the change was that most subject lines had multiple prefixes, and the list name was really not necessary.

While not a perfect solution, you could do some client side filtering (procmail or builtin filters in mail clients) that might help you out a bit.

Your objection is noted and we can re-evaluate the change as we get more feedback from the community.

-Tanya

Could you clarify your situation? Can't you look at a message's
headers and see which mailing list it's addressed to / came from? That
enables setting up client filters to sort messages into folders /
apply filters, etc.

Eli

I'm at the other end of this. For me this change would work great. I use Thunderbird to read this list, and I assign emails to folders based on the "List-Id" header. In a TB window of a regular (usable) size, the word "[LLVMDev]" occupies 1/3 of the subject space. I would much prefer to be able to see more of the actual content of the subject.

I know this is about a different ML, but llvm-commits was even worse. The subject of a typical email looked like this:
   "[llvm-commits] [llvm] r123456 - /llv..."

-Krzysztof

Quoting Eli Bendersky <eliben@google.com>:

I will be removing the list prefix "LLVMDev" from the subject line. If
you are filtering by this, please use the list headers instead.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks Tanya, this makes the subject lines of the commits a lot more
accessible.

Tobi

Please let me state my opinion against this change.
Due to the heavy traffic on LLVM mailing lists, one needs some kind of
filtering to keep only the relevant emails in the inbox. Since my ISP's
email server doesn't support any server-side email filtering, I used to
filter the e-mails visually. It was easy to ignore emails with the subject
prefixed with LLVM or cfe (or both).
Right now I can only see 200 emails in my inbox and I cannot distinguish
between them.

I personally also preferred the file names in the subject, since that
allowed me to visually filter the commits in my areas. However, if we all
start prefixing the commit messages with the area (as some already do), this
problem is gone.

Could you clarify your situation? Can't you look at a message's
headers and see which mailing list it's addressed to / came from? That
enables setting up client filters to sort messages into folders /
apply filters, etc.

My point was that not everyone uses gmail nor everyone has access to nice email servers that perform server-side filtering.
Of course I can do all these things in the client, but my webmail client is dumb. So this change is very frustrating to me since I cannot *visually* filter LLVM emails anymore (and by visually I mean reading the prefix of the subjects).

I'm usually absent from bikeshedding discussions, but this time I'm really frustrated with the change..

Nuno